Steve Unit 4 Posted August 19, 2019 Myself as well as a large portion of the community feel that all the weapons implemented into the game have been ruined by being "NERFED". Dragon Hunter Lance for instance now gets out dps'd by a 800m Vesta's Spear when DHL costs 140b+. the accuracy on it you hit 1/10 times now and its really not worth buying anymore. Same with the Ancient Crossbow, it's now a less superior version of Elemental Crossbow which is a fraction of the price and uses less special attack. There seems to be many, many weapons that were once good have now been tampered with to be no where near worth the price tag unless you risk 10b-100b in gear just to compensate for the reduce in stats and accuracy. Could we implement a poll in the future weather or not an item in question should be nerfed or not? after all we do pay and play the server we feel we should have a say in what gets ruined or not. @Phenomenon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian 25 Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Steve Unit said: Myself as well as a large portion of the community feel that all the weapons implemented into the game have been ruined by being "NERFED". Dragon Hunter Lance for instance now gets out dps'd by a 800m Vesta's Spear when DHL costs 140b+. the accuracy on it you hit 1/10 times now and its really not worth buying anymore. Same with the Ancient Crossbow, it's now a less superior version of Elemental Crossbow which is a fraction of the price and uses less special attack. There seems to be many, many weapons that were once good have now been tampered with to be no where near worth the price tag unless you risk 10b-100b in gear just to compensate for the reduce in stats and accuracy. Could we implement a poll in the future weather or not an item in question should be nerfed or not? after all we do pay and play the server we feel we should have a say in what gets ruined or not. @Phenomenon Sometimes items NEED a nerf, other times not so much. DH set for example especially with rock cake was extremely broken. Only issue with polls deciding what does and doesn't get nerfed boils down to the game integrity. Players who own D-lance's for example wouldn't want them nerfed, whereas players who can't afford them would be all on board. Would divide the polls and skew the results. Community input is and should always be valued, but balancing / integrity issues is ultimately the staff & Ryan's decision. However I think items should be scaled to effectiveness by market price, and if it is deemed too OP don't completely change the formula, just slightly reduce hit cap or accuracy so it doesn't become an over-priced pea shooter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Unit 4 Posted August 20, 2019 20 hours ago, Ian said: Sometimes items NEED a nerf, other times not so much. DH set for example especially with rock cake was extremely broken. Only issue with polls deciding what does and doesn't get nerfed boils down to the game integrity. Players who own D-lance's for example wouldn't want them nerfed, whereas players who can't afford them would be all on board. Would divide the polls and skew the results. Community input is and should always be valued, but balancing / integrity issues is ultimately the staff & Ryan's decision. However I think items should be scaled to effectiveness by market price, and if it is deemed too OP don't completely change the formula, just slightly reduce hit cap or accuracy so it doesn't become an over-priced pea shooter. but the issue is lets say for items that "NEED" nerf such as d-lance yeah it hit high but now the accuracy is terrible, its basically a 140b AGS now with less accuracy than ags. Same with ABS its a slower weaker 150b version of Trident of The Swamp and ABS doesn't have venom so now its even more outclassed by a 800m item. 98% of the nerfs are happening because Phenomenon says so instead of seeing the input of the rest. He uses 500b-5t pets and gear to test the weapons then nerfs cause they hit too hard instead of adjusting the gear he's wearing or the pets... It's now useless to buy ABS/D-Lance/Ancient CBow/Ect. I just think the nerfs were way overboard. look at Elemental Staff, that thing is literally shelfed I haven't seen someone use it in over a year since they nerfed it so hard it's not even worth bringing to wilderness. Just think most of the nerfs too badly compromise the weapon. If a weapon is hard to obtain it's okay if its strong that's the whole point...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kellatha 629 Posted August 20, 2019 Remember when Elemental Dagger was good? Remember when Blessed Saradomin was good? Remember when Vesta Longsword was good? Remember when Sun Spear was good? Remember when Elemental Crossbow was good? Rememeber when Elemental Staff was good? Remember when Dragon Longsword was good? (spawnable but i still miss it) Remember when Dragon Sword was good? Pepperidge farm remembers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loviathan 6 Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Kellatha said: Remember when Elemental Dagger was good? Remember when Blessed Saradomin was good? Remember when Vesta Longsword was good? Remember when Sun Spear was good? Remember when Elemental Crossbow was good? Rememeber when Elemental Staff was good? Remember when Dragon Longsword was good? (spawnable but i still miss it) Remember when Dragon Sword was good? Pepperidge farm remembers. Sun Spear, Vesta Longsword and arguably Elemental crossbow are still good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kellatha 629 Posted August 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, Loviathan said: Sun Spear, Vesta Longsword and arguably Elemental crossbow are still good Sunspear is about 15% better over vesta spear. Not that anyone really uses the spec, it's more inaccurate than DHL. VLS used to spec 15% with vigour, and it was also capable of hitting high 70's low 80s now it's capped at 73 and costs 25% per spec Ele cbow used to one hit with ice bolts, that was nerfed. Then fire bolts turned out to be good against divine/raggers also edge pking and that got reworked and nerfed. Not to mention it used to be one handed. Remember when they were good? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loviathan 6 Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kellatha said: Sunspear is about 15% better over vesta spear. Not that anyone really uses the spec, it's more inaccurate than DHL. VLS used to spec 15% with vigour, and it was also capable of hitting high 70's low 80s now it's capped at 73 and costs 25% per spec Ele cbow used to one hit with ice bolts, that was nerfed. Then fire bolts turned out to be good against divine/raggers also edge pking and that got reworked and nerfed. Not to mention it used to be one handed. Remember when they were good? According to stats, the sunspear is more accurate than DHL and also packs a higher max hit. VLS was balanced Ele cbow was too Edited August 20, 2019 by Loviathan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian 25 Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Kellatha said: Remember when Elemental Dagger was good? broken* Remember when Blessed Saradomin was good? broken* Remember when Vesta Longsword was good? broken* Remember when Sun Spear was good? broken* Remember when Elemental Crossbow was good? broken* Rememeber when Elemental Staff was good? broken* Remember when Dragon Longsword was good? (spawnable but i still miss it) broken* Remember when Dragon Sword was good? broken* u forgot dh sets, blood dbow, blowpipe, bc cannon, & lance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
