Rag.

[Frzn 3]

Why is Ragging considered allowed in this Private Server with a limited player base and a limited community? It doesn't make any sense. If evidence can be provided of a constant rag this is a type of cyber bullying and allowing this on here is disgusting. Rules needs to be amended for this. as there are silly teenagers running around ragging anyone who even types to them. How can you call a server 'SpawnPK' if you cant PK? 

I think if you are caught ragging you should receive a jail time of 48 hours or more depending on the severity and depending on the proof provided.

I understand ragging is in the main game. But the difference is you have multiple worlds to pick from and its a lot easier to avoid. This server has teams of raggers who don't like getting told there bad because they sit in spawn and constantly rush you and teleport. Lets be honest its childish and pathetic and it needs stomping out.

I've been playing this server for well over a year and the community is being scummier and scummier each week with childish teenagers who cant take any criticism.

Frzn

 

Edited May 8, 2019 by Frzn

[Frzn 3]

Is that because you will actually have to do some work Brutal?

[Phenomenon 398]

Hi Frzn,

 

We've actually restricted ragging in a lot of places that we deemed to be problematic if an outbreak of ragging ever happened there:

9: Ragging

• We define ragging as repeated or consistent harassment towards another player in a PvP environment.
• This rule applies to the following areas: Graveyards, EdgePvP(::edgepvp NOT edgeville), Mage Bank, Risk Fight Arena, and Pure PKing (::pure).
• This might mean using overhead protection prayers and rushing, barraging/ranging their opponent repeatedly  just to stop them from PKing.
• With regards to rushing, there's a fine line between rushing and harassment (ragging).
• Banter before and after the fight is fine, but if someone's getting too annoyed/offended then it needs to stop.
• Please note that staff decisions are final, and staff will say whether the situation is classed as ragging or not.
• Every situation is different and will be treated very seriously by staff.The criteria of ragging reports will require sufficient evidence from the reporter -  This would probably need to be an eye witness by staff, or a video recording.
• Standing around or under other peoples fights in these areas count as ragging.

We have yet to implement this for Edgeville (home) because of the level of controversy it may hold.

• It was easy to implement it in smaller (and necessary) areas as there would be little to no objection, and it's always been traditional protocol even on other RSPS.
• I'm not so sure about implementing it at Edgeville, I'm sure a lot of casual players would be happy about it, but i'm not 100% sure how the other side (more experienced) would react as some people believe ragging is a necessary action to those who act so obnoxiously towards other players - And, to an extent I agree.

May I ask which areas you're experiencing the trouble with ragging? If it's home, a better solution to the problem would be to maybe submit a poll and let people vote.

 

Hope you found this information useful, I'm interested in how this post will do (i've seen you spark some discussions on other threads, nicely done).

[pure essence 12]

37 minutes ago, Frzn said:

Why is Ragging considered allowed in this Private Server with a limited player base and a limited community? It doesn't make any sense. If evidence can be provided of a constant rag this is a type of cyber bullying and allowing this on here is disgusting. Rules needs to be amended for this. as there are silly teenagers running around ragging anyone who even types to them. How can you call a server 'SpawnPK' if you cant PK? 

I think if you are caught ragging you should receive a jail time of 48 hours or more depending on the severity and depending on the proof provided.

I understand ragging is in the main game. But the difference is you have multiple worlds to pick from and its a lot easier to avoid. This server has teams of raggers who don't like getting told there bad because they sit in spawn and constantly rush you and teleport. Lets be honest its childish and pathetic and it needs stomping out.

I've been playing this server for well over a year and the community is being scummier and scummier each week with childish teenagers who cant take any criticism.

Frzn

 

I 100% agree with him on here its gone to far to the point that people switch off when one gets tired of raging that SAME person they call a clan member to continue ragging them, i don't think it should be a 48 hr jail but a 24 hr one but nonetheless, good point out.

[Frzn 3]

18 minutes ago, Phenomenon said:

Hi Frzn,

 

We've actually restricted ragging in a lot of places that we deemed to be problematic if an outbreak of ragging ever happened there:

9: Ragging

• We define ragging as repeated or consistent harassment towards another player in a PvP environment.
• This rule applies to the following areas: Graveyards, EdgePvP(::edgepvp NOT edgeville), Mage Bank, Risk Fight Arena, and Pure PKing (::pure).
• This might mean using overhead protection prayers and rushing, barraging/ranging their opponent repeatedly  just to stop them from PKing.
• With regards to rushing, there's a fine line between rushing and harassment (ragging).
• Banter before and after the fight is fine, but if someone's getting too annoyed/offended then it needs to stop.
• Please note that staff decisions are final, and staff will say whether the situation is classed as ragging or not.
• Every situation is different and will be treated very seriously by staff.The criteria of ragging reports will require sufficient evidence from the reporter -  This would probably need to be an eye witness by staff, or a video recording.
• Standing around or under other peoples fights in these areas count as ragging.

We have yet to implement this for Edgeville (home) because of the level of controversy it may hold.

• It was easy to implement it in smaller (and necessary) areas as there would be little to no objection, and it's always been traditional protocol even on other RSPS.
•  I'm not so sure about implementing it at Edgeville, I'm sure a lot of casual players would be happy about it, but i'm not 100% sure how the other side (more experienced) would react as some people believe ragging is a necessary action to those who act so obnoxiously towards other players - And, to an extent I agree.

May I ask which areas you're experiencing the trouble with ragging? If it's home, a better solution to the problem would be to maybe submit a poll and let people vote.

 

Hope you found this information useful, I'm interested in how this post will do (i've seen you spark some discussions on other threads, nicely done).

Hi Tev, 

Thanks for such a fast response i appreciate it. 

I have been ragged at least 20 times in the last 2 weeks (including today) at home.. Its getting boring. I didn't donate to a server to have this pathetic childish behavior. I play this game regularly, most of the time its on lunch breaks at work and some nights at home.. 

I cannot step into the wild without some loser with full void a divine and knifes. Simple things where you are being constantly rushed or if you simply ask someone to risk something because there sitting in full primal and OP gear with no risk and expecting you to skull when technically..id be risking more if i did skull. (standard SpawnPK problems) I also have screenshot evidence of them ganging up on newer players and plotting to constantly rag someone to stop them playing all together. which if it is edgeville home pking or not should not be allowed.

Ragging isn't a skill its an annoyance. So why would the 'More Experienced' People care about it? that doesn't make sense to me at all. Experienced players can Hybrid, Tribrid. I would love to hear what an 'Experienced Player' thinks about this and there reasons for do it other than being a low life toxic child with borderline mental issues.

This ragging isn't just an issue for us the players. but the owner too. this will cause him to loose money, loose players, which in effect will cause the players a problem and the server will cease to be anything.

List of recent raggers..

Under Dd

Purelaz61

I Bless You

 

[Frzn 3]

https://imgur.com/a/AQJZKdG

 

Proof Under DD referring to ragging this player in the wilderness not just edgeville..

Proof of him having a team

Proof of him waiting for me like the sad act he is. (ive been using an alt so it doesnt effect me) But hes now targeting new players too. he actually enjoys doing it.

 

Who ever votes NO. Explain why? Is it because moderators would actually have to moderate other than answering questions?

Edited May 8, 2019 by Frzn

[Frzn 3]

Whats Funny is that Edgeville is the most populated PK Zone.. So its pointless that its against the rules everywhere else and not Edgeville? Someone please explain this to me.

 

[Frzn 3]

Whats also f***ed up is that YouTubers are able to blacklist people from attacking them.. Staff do not even have this power! How messed up is that?

The fact YouTubers have this power so that they can post videos without them being ragged all the time so they can generate money for the owners is appalling. That isn't Gameplay or realistic is it... 

Why can't this function be activated for all players which works in certain areas of the wild like i don't know... EDGEVILLE where ragging is most likely..

Maybe a fresh pair of eyes and someone else with a different opinion needs to be posting more and more to get the point across.. o.o

Edited May 8, 2019 by Frzn

[Hooke V2 51]

Jesus christ, if you're getting ragged you've done something to deserve it.

If its random, they won't last.

You probably talk shit to them which makes them rag.

[Frzn 3]

12 hours ago, Hooke V2 said:

Jesus christ, if you're getting ragged you've done something to deserve it.

If its random, they won't last.

You probably talk shit to them which makes them rag.

Another child of the Server...

I told him to get risk. then i got ragged. None of you who have voted against the poll have given any reason to why ragging should be allowed. proves my theory. Moderators just do not want to do any work.. the only people who have voted no are people who would rag or do not wanna do any work.

[Max Avon 47]

Sometimes people deserve getting ragged, if ragging was illegal in edge then rushers would be able to do whatever they want, people can flame whoever they want with no repercussions etc. which is why ragging is a thing

[pure essence 12]

46 minutes ago, Max Avon said:

Sometimes people deserve getting ragged, if ragging was illegal in edge then rushers would be able to do whatever they want, people can flame whoever they want with no repercussions etc. which is why ragging is a thing

fair point but people take ragging to the extreme lmao thats what makes it a problem, idk if there will be a solution but hopefully we can find one which can suit everyone

[Frzn 3]

2 hours ago, Max Avon said:

Sometimes people deserve getting ragged, if ragging was illegal in edge then rushers would be able to do whatever they want, people can flame whoever they want with no repercussions etc. which is why ragging is a thing

Fair Enough. But i am getting ragged 'For life' apparently. thus that means i have wasted money in game as i cannot play? Is that fair? Also the fact the evidences clearly shows the guy breaking the rules advising that he will rag anywhere in the wilderness. (shown in the screenshots above) Also You can Freeze and brid Rushers easily.. or anti rush them.. You are not taking into consideration that a lot of the raggers are childish teenagers or little kids trying to wind you up. They don't care if you tell them to go away or KYS. they will rag you regardless. It also doesn't help that Divine spirit shields cost nothing in game..

Asking a guy to grab some risk and then he refuses and i teleport. deserves rag for life? I don't think so.. Its only then i flamed him when i started getting ragged by 3 players constantly.. (I am human)

No one has answered the question why YouTubers have the ability to stop raggers? 

Having the ability to BLOCK a player would be brilliant. You cant trade them. Speak with them. And they cant attack you in Edgeville? You wouldn't need to worry about high wilderness as ragging is against the rules in that area.

If you cant agree with ragging being illegal, then Ragging teams definitely should be.

Edited May 9, 2019 by Frzn

[pure essence 12]

3 minutes ago, Frzn said:

Fair Enough. But i am getting ragged 'For life' apparently. thus that means i have wasted money in game as i cannot play? Is that fair? Also the fact the evidences clearly shows the guy breaking the rules advising that he will rag anywhere in the wilderness. Also You can Freeze and hybrid Rushers easily.. or anti rush them..

Asking a guy to grab some risk and then he refuses and i teleport. deserves rag for life? I don't think so.. Its only then i flamed him when i started getting ragged by 3 players constantly.. (I am human)

No one has answered the question why Youtubers have the ability to stop raggers? 

Having the ability to BLOCK a player would be brilliant. You cant trade them. Speak with them. And they cant attack you in Edgeville? You wouldn't need to worry about high wilderness as ragging is against the rules in that area.

If you cant agree with ragging being illegal, then Ragging teams definitely should be.

couldn't have said it better myself the whole idea of being able to "BLOCK" certain people is a clear solution to this problem and to the people voting "no" are the people who are making this a problem which is sad

[Frzn 3]

4 minutes ago, pure essence said:

couldn't have said it better myself the whole idea of being able to "BLOCK" certain people is a clear solution to this problem and to the people voting "no" are the people who are making this a problem which is sad

Totally agree mate..

They just don't want to have to watch evidence videos and actually do something... Everyone who knows voted 'No' are either member of the SpawnPK team or they are just kissing ass.. Truth..

Edited May 9, 2019 by Frzn

[pure essence 12]

i wouldn't quite say that the staff team dosen't really want to do anything about it, because i know they are busy especially with more important things then hunting down raggers and when its not even against the rules atm... but hopefully with this thread it'll bring more exposure to how bad it gets and maybe they will take our solutions and do something about it.

[Frzn 3]

7 minutes ago, pure essence said:

i wouldn't quite say that the staff team dosen't really want to do anything about it, because i know they are busy especially with more important things then hunting down raggers and when its not even against the rules atm... but hopefully with this thread it'll bring more exposure to how bad it gets and maybe they will take our solutions and do something about it.

I cant think of anything more important. the Server is clean. minimal scamming which is dealt with correctly by staff. Half the time they are answering questions in PMS..

Edited May 9, 2019 by Frzn

[Frzn 3]

Funnily enough, Ive been going through the farewells. and over 50% of them include 'Ragging' as a main cause  what a joke... Shows you the extent of the ragging in the server.

It even mentions other server deal with ragging by making it illegal to rush with protection prayers on. Look guys ! Easy Fix !

[Frzn 3]

On 5/8/2019 at 4:47 PM, Phenomenon said:

Hi Frzn,

 

We've actually restricted ragging in a lot of places that we deemed to be problematic if an outbreak of ragging ever happened there:

9: Ragging

• We define ragging as repeated or consistent harassment towards another player in a PvP environment.
• This rule applies to the following areas: Graveyards, EdgePvP(::edgepvp NOT edgeville), Mage Bank, Risk Fight Arena, and Pure PKing (::pure).
• This might mean using overhead protection prayers and rushing, barraging/ranging their opponent repeatedly  just to stop them from PKing.
• With regards to rushing, there's a fine line between rushing and harassment (ragging).
• Banter before and after the fight is fine, but if someone's getting too annoyed/offended then it needs to stop.
• Please note that staff decisions are final, and staff will say whether the situation is classed as ragging or not.
• Every situation is different and will be treated very seriously by staff.The criteria of ragging reports will require sufficient evidence from the reporter -  This would probably need to be an eye witness by staff, or a video recording.
• Standing around or under other peoples fights in these areas count as ragging.

We have yet to implement this for Edgeville (home) because of the level of controversy it may hold.

• It was easy to implement it in smaller (and necessary) areas as there would be little to no objection, and it's always been traditional protocol even on other RSPS.
• I'm not so sure about implementing it at Edgeville, I'm sure a lot of casual players would be happy about it, but i'm not 100% sure how the other side (more experienced) would react as some people believe ragging is a necessary action to those who act so obnoxiously towards other players - And, to an extent I agree.

May I ask which areas you're experiencing the trouble with ragging? If it's home, a better solution to the problem would be to maybe submit a poll and let people vote.

 

Hope you found this information useful, I'm interested in how this post will do (i've seen you spark some discussions on other threads, nicely done).

Well. This is awkward.. Looks like that Poll was ignored.

https://imgur.com/a/gyBRaZF

 

[Phenomenon 398]

Just now, Frzn said:

Well. This is awkward.. Looks like that Poll was ignored.

https://imgur.com/a/gyBRaZF

 

More like the results were too close to make a determination at that time and probably put on hold (to be reconsidered at another time) when a thread arises that receives lots of attention

[pure essence 12]

12 minutes ago, Phenomenon said:

More like the results were too close to make a determination at that time and probably put on hold (to be reconsidered at another time) when a thread arises that receives lots of attention

With a 60% in favor for ragging NOT to be allowed is "too close" kinda seems untrue to me....but idk if you guys have a standard that it should meet like a certain percentage for it to pass (if so what would the percent be) like the do is osrs which would make little more sense from where you are coming from.

Edited May 9, 2019 by pure essence

[Phenomenon 398]

3 minutes ago, pure essence said:

but idk if you guys have a standard that it should meet like a certain percentage for it to pass (if so what would the percent be) like the do is osrs which would make little more sense from where you are coming from.

Correct, I'm a bit tied up at the moment but i'll explain the procedure as soon as I am available. We take %'s into account, but also filtering out valid / invalid polling & comments that might be made. We don't want to just go off of "68% - AKA 15-23" without understanding both sides and getting a bigger picture on how drastic the change would be. Staff enforcement also comes into play, how would the lives of the staff members be having to deal with rag-related reports on a much wider scale like Edgeville home (a majority of the population most of the times).

It's easy for someone to randomly come by and drop a -1 simply because they're friends with someone who told them to, or if they just want to be a dick (this also goes the same for +1), I'd much rather see a result like 60 to 20 where it's OBVIOUS everyone wants the change, even though the % isn't the best, it gives more insight as to what's going on rather than a 8 point margin.

A good example of what I'm saying is this poll:

Which is something I'm pushing heavily for this update, 60 want it reverted, 13 say keep it as it is, and 28 are open to some type of change. That's a HUGE difference, and I can clearly see how most people feel. Also, as an Admin I have certain filters that give different indicators than just 15-23 which is another reason why we didn't jump hastily on that poll.

[pure essence 12]

4 minutes ago, Phenomenon said:

Correct, I'm a bit tied up at the moment but i'll explain the procedure as soon as I am available. We take %'s into account, but also filtering out valid / invalid polling & comments that might be made. We don't want to just go off of "68% - AKA 15-23" without understanding both sides and getting a bigger picture on how drastic the change would be. Staff enforcement also comes into play, how would the lives of the staff members be having to deal with rag-related reports on a much wider scale like Edgeville home (a majority of the population most of the times).

It's easy for someone to randomly come by and drop a -1 simply because they're friends with someone who told them to, or if they just want to be a dick (this also goes the same for +1), I'd much rather see a result like 60 to 20 where it's OBVIOUS everyone wants the change, even though the % isn't the best, it gives more insight as to what's going on rather than a 8 point margin.

A good example of what I'm saying is this poll:

Which is something I'm pushing heavily for this update, 60 want it reverted, 13 say keep it as it is, and 28 are open to some type of change. That's a HUGE difference, and I can clearly see how most people feel. Also, as an Admin I have certain filters that give different indicators than just 15-23 which is another reason why we didn't jump hastily on that poll.

Ahh alright thanks for the clarification makes A lot more sense now that u explained it and how you guys decide on when and why you decide to make a change or not, hopefully you guys will figure out a solution to hopefully fix the ragging situation atm.

Thanks again for taking time and responding

[Frzn 3]

18 hours ago, Phenomenon said:

Correct, I'm a bit tied up at the moment but i'll explain the procedure as soon as I am available. We take %'s into account, but also filtering out valid / invalid polling & comments that might be made. We don't want to just go off of "68% - AKA 15-23" without understanding both sides and getting a bigger picture on how drastic the change would be. Staff enforcement also comes into play, how would the lives of the staff members be having to deal with rag-related reports on a much wider scale like Edgeville home (a majority of the population most of the times).

It's easy for someone to randomly come by and drop a -1 simply because they're friends with someone who told them to, or if they just want to be a dick (this also goes the same for +1), I'd much rather see a result like 60 to 20 where it's OBVIOUS everyone wants the change, even though the % isn't the best, it gives more insight as to what's going on rather than a 8 point margin.

A good example of what I'm saying is this poll:

Which is something I'm pushing heavily for this update, 60 want it reverted, 13 say keep it as it is, and 28 are open to some type of change. That's a HUGE difference, and I can clearly see how most people feel. Also, as an Admin I have certain filters that give different indicators than just 15-23 which is another reason why we didn't jump hastily on that poll.

If the poll doesn't pass or this never does get changed. what would you recommend to do if you are considered 'ragged for life' ?

If the poll doesnt pass. does this just get pushed under the carpet? Do I just quit? What would you recommend. 

Edited May 10, 2019 by Frzn

[Frzn 3]

19 hours ago, pure essence said:

Ahh alright thanks for the clarification makes A lot more sense now that u explained it and how you guys decide on when and why you decide to make a change or not, hopefully you guys will figure out a solution to hopefully fix the ragging situation atm.

Thanks again for taking time and responding

https://imgur.com/a/I76uYon

 

What is to be done about this Tev? Nothing?